EP2 – Diddy Do It?

In this episode we will be looking at the Diddy situation, who is involved and how far up it goes. Is this just about Diddy? How much of the industry knows about this and how far back does it go? 

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Speaker 1 00:08
Are we amusing ourselves to death, as Neil Postman once argued, or as Bill and Ted once said, I believe our adventure through time has taken a most serious turn. The City of Dreams is already a nightmare. Dark Alleyways, a screen and media podcast, identifies the concerns, idiocy and seedier side of Hollywood and the industry. 

Speaker 0 00:50
Okay. 

Speaker 1 00:52
When we started investigating, the amount of diddy deep dives we went into proves the whole thing is all over the shop and we're here to bring some clarity to the chaos. We'll discuss the court documents and speculate how this has managed to stay under the radar for so long. The big question is, will he be able to wrangle himself out of it or will this be the tipping point? Or is... This, or is he going to go down to protect other people in the industry? So let's start from the start. Let's start with Diddy's childhood, Ash. 

Speaker 2 01:27
Childhood. Okay, so we're just going to keep this one short. So I was looking through, you know, who this guy is in the industry, because have you guys heard Diddy's music, anything he's produced, anything he's done himself? Yeah. Yeah, you must have. I mean, at any point if you turn on. you know, MTV or whatever back in the 2000s, 2010s. So he was a figure that I found interesting because I saw him. He had a reality show called Making of the Band. And he was like this big music producer. Everyone was scared of him whenever he came into the room. And he would tell these people who are very talented and who can really, you know, sing really well, dance really well. You're shit. You're okay. And have this insanely high standard. So I always was curious about who this guy was, where does he come from. And he was, you know, the... It was the CEO of Bad Boy Entertainment. And it was only when all this started that I wanted to look a bit further and wonder where he came from. Because he didn't seem that big a deal. It turns out that, you know, first of all, his father, this is interesting. So he didn't grow up wealthy. His father was Melvin Coombs. So have you guys seen American Gangster, the film? I haven't. Okay, with Denzel Washington. So Denzel Washington's character, I forgot the name of that gangster. 

Speaker 1 02:41
He was like a Harlan Kingpin. 

Speaker 0 02:43
Yeah, he's a kingpin, but Melvin Coombs worked for him. Not some very high level, he wasn't in the film, but he was like a major street dealer for heroin. And his father died, well, was killed, and apparently we don't know the circumstances for that. His mother looked after him after that, worked odd jobs. And Diddy actually ended up going to college. I'm really going through this quick. But it was in his, it was through his connections with somebody else that he managed to get a link to Motown Records. Yeah. And the person who was in charge of it actually decided to bring Diddy on as an intern. And he, but the thing is, his mother said, you can't drop out of school. So Diddy had to travel like 16 hours at a time, two or three times a week to be a part of this. And then the guy who was in charge, of course, brought Diddy on as a vice president at the age of 20, just before his college was finished. So that. that itself struck me as very suspicious. How can you as a 20 year old become vice president of a company? And so his history, yeah, starting out was, you know, very quickly rising to the top of this company. And he was actually let go quite quickly. So he was born somewhere on I think the late 60s. So he was very young when he launched off. And at that point, even he did get pushed out from his own from that record label and had to, of course, he's built up his connections, and he can start his new sort of ventures. Now I kept that very brief because for me the most suspicious thing is about how he managed to climb up that quickly and I think the more we go into some of the details about what did he's been involved in that will start to become a little bit more clear. 

Speaker 1 04:25
Okay let's go. 

Speaker 0 04:29
So okay before we get into the some of the charges did anyone see the Cassie video? 

Speaker 2 04:37
I didn't end up seeing it. I heard all about it. I don't think I can see it because I heard it was quite brutal. 

Speaker 0 04:44
I saw the censored version, but I read what happens. So he pretty much runs down the hall and he's got a towel around him. Apparently she'd come off a night where he'd given her a black eye and she was made to perform with male escorts for his own pleasure. She tried to escape and you see he's going for the elevator, grabs her, grabs her by the throat, puts her down to the ground, gives her a few kicks and starts dragging her all over the place. Phrase a few things at her like a vase and stuff like that. 

Speaker 2 05:13
So this is the thing that he actually denied when it first came out years ago. But now that the video's come out, he's apologised. 

Speaker 0 05:21
Well, when all these allegations started to come out at the end of last year, he was pretty much accusing people of. rocking up to take a payday or making up stories and categorically saying everything is false, including what Cassie Ventura had said. But here we are. The footage doesn't lie. I mean, you've still got people who think it's a deep fake and just another example of a woman taking a black man down. But domestic abuse and violence is domestic abuse and violence. And in fact, he came out and made his equivalent of an apology video. And according to Morse Critical, who looks at a lot of these apology videos on YouTube, he reckons it's one of the worst apologies he's seen for a while. Because on the one hand, this guy was saying this didn't happen and suddenly says, well, it did happen and I was in a dark place and Diddy made it all about himself. 

Speaker 2 06:08
Of course. And I think that is also the preface of us moving forward. The fact that he is an outright liar. He just got outed. 

Speaker 0 06:21
On that front, yes. 

Speaker 1 06:22
Yes. Yes. 

Speaker 2 06:24
Yeah. I think, so I watched the, I saw the uncensored version of it. And what I found, because when learning about it, I found out that the, because this footage was back in, was it 2016? So I was wondering, why is it coming out now? Then I heard that, you know, the hotel, they actually bought the CCTV footage of it. That's part of the lawsuit as well. 

Speaker 1 06:45
That Coombs bought the hotel. 

Speaker 2 06:46
Yeah. And it makes me curious as to who has access to this footage. And why did it come out? And I think maybe we can discuss that a little bit further later, but it is kind of curious, isn't it? 

Speaker 1 06:56
Let's talk about it now. Who's got anything to gain to put this out at a certain time? 

Speaker 0 07:01
Yeah, who do you think? 

Speaker 2 07:02
The prosecutors. 

Speaker 1 07:05
Well, I don't know, man, because there's already been a settlement done. So from a civil case, it's done and dusted. She put in the papers, and a day later he was like, he settled, and that's it. It was taken care of. I don't know, Homeland Security, some people reckon might have done it because they maybe can't get him on crimes but they can destroy his reputation for people at the sea. I think that's it. But there were a few people on YouTube and if you look them up you'll find them on TikTok and there's this lady, I can't recall her name, she's a lawyer, but she comes out and she reckons it's someone from his inner circle because this is the thing, there's been a lot of talk about Diddy taping everyone at his freak-off parties and building up extortion material or blackmail material. It might have like got flipped on him. Someone in his inner circle who might also have access to that stuff is now like drip feeding the stuff out and probably in a position to do what he wanted to do to others, having it done on him. 

Speaker 0 08:04
You know, on top of that, because one of the things that I heard was that, yeah, because it's like this drip feed of information. Some people are saying, you know, prepare for more stuff. And it's almost like, because as we go on to talk about this and what, because... from what we've, the research we've done and a lot of other people have done, there is so much more than just allegations of abuse. It goes, like things like hidden cameras in people's rooms. So, that means, and he's known for his wild parties and there was a lot of people connected and that were involved in it and that means he has a lot of information, concrete, like in tape of other people and so, it's almost like, you know, drip feeding information. It's not even like, you know, and... Throwing bread comes for us. It's almost like giving him a warning. The, if you don't fall in line and go away quietly, even if it is to a cell, we'll just have to keep throwing stuff out there and we'll make sure you stay in that cell. 

Speaker 1 08:57
Who do you think is driving that though? 

Speaker 2 09:00
Ah. 

Speaker 1 09:01
The amount of enemies this guy has probably made over the years with like dud deals or who he's controlled. 

Speaker 0 09:08
It's, it's never just one person. It's always. 

Speaker 1 09:10
Yeah. I'm thinking it's a bunch of higher ups. 

Speaker 2 09:12
Yeah. And. 

Speaker 0 09:14
Look, someone's been waiting in the wings and they were just waiting for that right moment for him to line up in their sights and they got him. 

Speaker 2 09:21
They've done a good job. 

Speaker 0 09:22
Yeah, because it's all about destroying your reputation. And 50 Cent, who likes the grill, you know, 50 Cent always likes the grill diddy, talking about how he's fruity and other things. He also came out and said, look, if it was Homeland Security, that's their way of getting in because they might not be able to get in by the law, but they can destroy him in front of everyone. So if, you know. 

Speaker 2 09:42
And that brings us to the court documents because look at the court documents I've had a good read through. 

Speaker 0 09:48
Which ones? 

Speaker 1 09:49
Oh, both of them. So the Cassie Ventura versus Sean Coombs and the Rodney James versus Sean Coombs. And when I was going through it, I'm just going, oh, my God, how if this guy gets off, then the American system's broken. 

Speaker 2 10:08
You didn't know that already? 

Speaker 0 10:10
But Rodney James is the producer of his Love album. Right. That's my understanding. Yes. Yeah. Okay. 

Speaker 1 10:17
So if we will go from the latest to, and then we'll go back to Rodney. So with Cassie Ventura. Now talk to me, I don't know much about Cassie and I didn't really delve into that because this was like humongous, these court documents. So do you know much about her? 

Speaker 2 10:42
Okay, so have you guys heard of her at all or? Yeah. As in before this? Yeah, she had an album. Yeah, I think she had multiple albums, but Cassie at the time, she was known, she was a singer, like R&B singer. And she came out, it would have been around the mid 2000s, I mean I actually heard of her in the late 2000s. Her major hit single at the time was called Me and You. So Cassie is actually, you can see she's obviously a very beautiful woman, but her voice is not the strongest. It's actually quite a weak voice. But I think, you know, she was some, the thing with, you know, the music industry, film and whatever else, but especially music, it's like it's all about, and film, everyone is a product. Everyone is a kind of, you have to market yourself. And sometimes when they look for the newest thing, it's not always the most talented people. It's who they can package together in a box and, you know. Sell. Sell you, yeah. And so for her, you know, she's very good looking. She can kind of sing. And it was another way for them to sort of market an artist and make money off them. So the more that you hear about these kind of artists and you, you know, because they look like they're leading this glitz and glam lifestyle. And some of them are because they have their fingers in so many different, you know, endorsement deals, brands, businesses. But for a number of them, they don't actually make a lot of money. Like the studios take a whole bunch of it. And so because they are the product. So she, her songs, you know, Me and You, it was another big hit called Long Way to Go. But after those big ones, she never really, like she struggled to perform in public. She couldn't keep up. Like she's had a few performances where it just didn't work. So you could tell it's not, maybe it's not her best thing. She still continued to do music afterwards, but that was her heyday in the Y2K era. Yeah. 

Speaker 1 12:31
She got signed for 10 album contract. 

Speaker 2 12:36
Was it with Diddy? Yeah. 

Speaker 1 12:38
You know, and, and she was obviously in a relationship with him when she was quite young. She was probably. 

Speaker 2 12:43
Yeah. She was 19, I think. 

Speaker 1 12:44
Yeah. 

Speaker 0 12:45
And he was like 40. 

Speaker 2 12:46
Yeah. 

Speaker 0 12:47
Or close to that, late thirties. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when they, yeah. So they eventually hooked up at some point. So there's obviously. 

Speaker 2 12:53
So there would have been coercion. There would have been gaslighting. There would have been a whole bunch of stuff. She. 

Speaker 1 12:58
She alleges. Yeah. 

Speaker 0 13:00
It's all there in the, her document where she, because the thing is she, um, not just her, but even like. Rodney James, is that it, mentions that as well, where they're threatened with their contract being taken away? Well. 

Speaker 1 13:14
I'll go through because what I've done is I've listed the accusations from Cassie Cassie has done because my interest is, yeah, anyone can accuse for anything. What I'm interested is in the evidence. What's the evidence to say, yep, this actually happened? And that's why it was brilliant that... the hotel video came out. So the accusations against Sean Coombs was basically, obviously, the rape and physical assault. So Cassie allegedly stated that she was raped in her own home and he would frequently beat her and she would have physical injuries such as bruises, burst lips and black eyes. You're looking at explosive violence, which would be scary as fuck. So coerced sexual acts, which is what we spoke about in regards to the hotel incident, as well as other incidents. Firearm intimidation. So he would run out and he would carry a firearm to demonstrate his danger and anger. And also substance abuse. So he would drug the drinks at his freak parties and ply with excessive alcohol and substance abuse. So they were the accusations. The evidence was pretty much testimonies. Like there's actual testimonies about this. There's the physical evidence of the black eyes. there's the video, the pattern of behaviour. There's also digital evidence. So there's like videos and photographs that Coombs had created, as well as threats and retaliation. So she had accounts of the threatening to ruin her career. So this seems to be a pattern. With him. So that's with Cassie. And then you've also got Rodney, Rodney James versus Sean Coombs. And the accusations. 

Speaker 0 15:38
Oh, wait, just very quickly. Is anyone familiar with Little Rod? 

Speaker 1 15:42
No, see. 

Speaker 2 15:44
So I didn't know who he was either, but he was, from what I heard, like a musical, what do you call them, protege? He taught himself 13 different musical instruments. Um, and so, because when I was reading a little bit about him, I was like, oh my God, you know, super talented people that have any chances of, you know, building anything, any kind of greatness or any kind of talent gets completely wrecked by stuff like this. So. 

Speaker 0 16:10
Uh. Yeah, he's a smart producer. Like just grab the talent and then package them up. And then once he's got you, um, pretty much either coerces you economically or. politically or even just, you know, emotionally from the sounds of it. 

Speaker 1 16:26
Funnily enough, it's domestic abuse. 

Speaker 0 16:29
Pretty much. Yeah. Except this is more like, it's, it's so much more brazen in this aspect because they, you know, have those, cause if you listen to a lot of domestic abuse cases, it's, it's those people, the people that do it aren't as well thought out. Yes. This looks like a big network that's enabled. I mean, even that's enabled to a degree, but yeah. Totally. Yeah. But anyway, what were the, the rod? 

Speaker 1 16:49
Yeah, so basically it was the same kind of thing. So sexual assault, the trafficking, the showcase of the guns, the threatening with the guns, the abusive and coercive behaviour. Okay, so Diddy using his power and influence to dictate what was going to happen. Also the violent retaliation, so the physical abuse. And the exploitation of minors. So again, sexual, physical coercion, even though they're two different people, it's the same kind of accusations. 

Speaker 0 17:33
Yeah, I think with the Little Rodney, Little Rod court documents, so the media and a lot of what we've seen is focused a lot more on Cassie. And obviously with the video coming out, basically confirming something she said, there would be more attention to that. But Little Rod's accusations, there's something, it's a lot more explosive because obviously he's mentioned the trafficking of minors and having parties where specifically making sure that whatever women drank would be laced with drugs. 

Speaker 1 18:04
Yeah, even the non-alcohols. So you could not go to the party and not get drugged. 

Speaker 0 18:10
Yeah, exactly. 

Speaker 1 18:10
It was known. 

Speaker 2 18:11
Yeah, and the other thing, and this is where we'll... go into this a little bit more later which is he he says there were hundreds of hidden cameras throughout the houses whenever they had these parties so that and the reason why little rod also apparently he um came up with this lawsuit is because apparently diddy encouraged him to record everything so now he says he's got definitive proof of some pretty horrible things including things like um like even uh sean combs diddy's sons raping people jesus so he's yeah so did he told him to record it and now he's probably got all this evidence. So yeah, it's quite, like his thing is, his report seems to be more damning in a way. 

Speaker 0 18:52
But he also claims that Diddy would grope his crotch, would show him footage of sex. guys on guys and saying hey this is normally an industry and trying to convince him to be a part of that sort of activity he even said um that he was being groomed to be pawned off to Cube Gooding Jr. 

Speaker 1 19:18
Oh my god see it just gets bigger and bigger I was actually having a think while you're talking about that all the names that are attached to Diddy and like from what I was reading you You've got Bill Smith, you've got Bill Smith's son, you've got Alan, you've got Twitch, you've got Cube Gooding Jr. now. Like how big does this go? 

Speaker 0 19:41
You forgot the other one, which is Jay-Z. And now this is one. 

Speaker 1 19:45
And Jennifer Lopez too. 

Speaker 2 19:46
Jennifer Lopez, yeah, because she admitted to carrying a gun for him because that's another thing. He would be packing and ask other people to carry it for him. But when it comes to Jay-Z, because so obviously, you know, Diddy was one of the big ones, you know, the big ones. the head of bad boy entertainment but he is basically what you'd say the second richest um i think like music mogul of you know african-american the richest is actually jay-z and jay-z diddy and the of course well-known r kelly were very you know close in the 90s it's like they were you know like does anyone remember a musician called a female musician. 

Speaker 1 20:23
Yeah, she died in a plane. 

Speaker 2 20:25
Yeah, yeah. She was one of those ones who, you know, very tragic death. I thought she was very talented. In fact, she, if you look at Beyonce and Rihanna, it's almost like they have the career she should have had. Like she would have, because she was the, like at the time she was very new, like a very, like quite a trailblazer in a way. And so, yeah, these three guys were hovering around her at the time. And she's not the only one. Like you can tell from, because, oh my God, you connect this to like the trafficking of children. I just brought in R. Kelly's name. So if he's there, you think that Jay-Z, Beyonce would not be in any way in know of any of this. And if they know, who else knows? Who else is involved? It's a much wider web. And we'll get to this, maybe the politics of it later, is that a lot of these people are well connected with political parties. They do fundraising for them. Yes. They do campaigning for them. Like Diddy did the very famous vote or die campaign. 

Speaker 0 21:17
It gets dangerous too here because we're kind of... I'm... Not saying that there isn't hard evidence. There's a lot of it. And we know that a lot of this will get sorted out in court, you would hope. But you don't want to go too much down into the QAnon territory. We know that there's plenty of grifters on TikTok coming up with things like, hey, there's a Diddy clone here and he got James Foxx sick. And that's why James got these health concerns and a lot of other things. And yes, I know James Foxx's daughter came out and said she suspected Diddy had something to do with it. It's almost like you've got the equivalent of a moral panic here. It's like Diddy can do everything. 

Speaker 2 21:56
Yes. 

Speaker 0 21:57
I don't think he's that powerful, but it suggests that he does have quite a degree of power to essentially have a lot of people doing a lot of these things that he's been accused of. But I worry when we get cluttered up in too much side stories of conspiracy when we should focus on, like... 

Speaker 2 22:14
Getting him to jail? 

Speaker 1 22:15
The bigger picture, yeah. 

Speaker 0 22:17
I mean, the fact that he's going down says that he's not that powerful. 

Speaker 2 22:20
But the thing is, he's going down. He's not down yet. Yeah. And this is where I think... We need to be really, yeah, we really need to be careful. And that's where the conspiracies can go wrong because they fluff up the reality. And then all of a sudden he gets off because of some technicality. 

Speaker 1 22:41
And that too. And plus everyone gets dizzy. Like if you deep dives into Diddy, deep dive Diddy's are a genre now. Yes. Not just in TikTok and YouTube. All right. You type in like. bang, it's already there. All right. So the problem I have is getting too dizzy to know what the real issue should be. 

Speaker 2 23:03
Too dizzy for Diddy. 

Speaker 0 23:04
We should go back to if there's trafficking, if there's illegal arms, if there's drugs, criminal activity, not just related to civil, like someone touched me and they shouldn't have. All right. Then that's where we should go after this guy. And this could take years to unfurl. Let's not forget that whole New York City charity thing that he did in the early 90s, okay, where a lot of people got killed in a stampede because there wasn't enough security and they found that they did a report and they found that he was responsible, or at least liable, for not taking care of, like, how many people rocked up, whether there was security and safety plans and everything. Nine people died in that, right? Because there's a stampede. That didn't get sorted out 100% until like 2000. So he was paying out families of people who died as a result of that. So we could be looking at a similar situation here where it could almost take a decade for a lot of this to unfurl. 

Speaker 2 24:02
Just curious, where is he at the moment? Is he in his million-dollar mansion? 

Speaker 0 24:07
Bahamas? 

Speaker 1 24:07
Wait. 

Speaker 2 24:08
Is he? No, no, because that plan that took off, he wasn't in it. In fact, if anything, they were saying the plane was loaded, there's speculation of what was in the plane that had to be grounded, including evidence. Because remember, his two houses was raided by, what is it, like over 100 armed... 

Speaker 1 24:24
Homeland security. 

Speaker 2 24:24
Homeland security. And what was interesting, I think it was, was it Suge Knight or somebody? There was a tweet that was put out. It was quite interesting. They said, the raid on Diddy's house is not to collect evidence, but to actually destroy evidence. And that's a claim. That's a speculation. 

Speaker 1 24:39
Is he saying that he's in cahoots with the authorities? 

Speaker 2 24:44
No, no. It's more so like the authorities don't mind hanging him out to dry. But whatever evidence he got on other people that are more important. 

Speaker 1 24:51
Oh. 

Speaker 2 24:51
Okay. Yeah. So this is speculation. 

Speaker 1 24:54
It's a capture and kill mission. 

Speaker 2 24:56
Yes. 

Speaker 0 24:56
Okay. Just like they did with Trump. He sent out his capture and kill dudes. knock out some media stories could be looking at this ah pain into the conspiracy stories get away get away got a bit got to be careful with this sort of business you see that's how easy it gets you so tell us more tell us more about. 

Speaker 1 25:16
Diddy and Diddy's people? Because you've done a bit of an investigation on various people attached to him. 

Speaker 2 25:24
I mean, where do you start with this one? Because one of the things I wanted to mention is the number of people that have died around him under suspicious circumstances. So are you guys familiar with, I think, his wife Kim Porter? Is that the name? 

Speaker 1 25:40
Catch all causes. 

Speaker 2 25:41
Well, that's what the claim was. But there are speculations even about that. Because what they say is she died of pneumonia. 

Speaker 1 25:47
I don't know. I'm not a doctor. No, no. 

Speaker 2 25:48
No. That's what was said, but apparently she had, there was no history of any kind of illness before then. 

Speaker 1 25:54
And most illnesses work that way. 

Speaker 2 25:56
No, that's true. But no, no, but usually you can trace something to it. But the other thing that brings suspicion is because apparently even if he didn't do anything and even if she was sick, apparently he forced her to appear at some event with the rest of the family while she was very sick. So even if he didn't do it on purpose, it's like in some ways. 

Speaker 1 26:12
Our case has a crummy husband, but there's no law against that. 

Speaker 2 26:16
Well, it depends on what you mean by crummy. Yeah. Because there's crummy and then there's abusive. But then... True. But then there's... Okay, so this is the other guy, Gene Deal. So he is Diddy's ex-bodyguard. He's done numerous interviews. I've watched a few. I mean, it's hard to watch all of them because it's just hours and hours of footage. But he actually suspects... He says that Kim Porter investigation should be reopened. And he said, because from everything I witnessed, he treated her worse than Cassie. 

Speaker 1 26:45
You personally. 

Speaker 2 26:46
What do you think happened at Camp 4? I'm not a medical. 

Speaker 1 26:51
Nor. 

Speaker 2 26:53
I was an investigator on that case. I don't believe that an individual would hurt, I want to say, financial status. would lay up in the house and die of pneumonia without a doctor or some kind of medical person responsible. So I think it may have been some, I guess, foul play. But we need to get what the fire department, what the coroners, what the pathologists, and everybody, you know, say. So you feel like she was murdered? I feel that it was some foul play in her death. A lot of foul play. Why would you take somebody's phone? Why would you take somebody's tablet or her computer? It was some foul play. Why is there blood on her sheets? Why are things happening that nobody spoke on? Why is that a person can say that they left at 8? in the morning and Kim was alive and 11, she's dead. Some foul play, bro. If it was foul play, why would somebody want Kim Porter to kill? It's a couple of women in this industry, and for their sake. 

Speaker 1 29:05
I will not mention their name. Listen to me. 

Speaker 2 29:11
There's a couple of women. probably more than a handful, but I know about four of them that knows everybody's dirty secrets. And if those secrets get exposed and tell what some of these guys and some of these people were really doing behind the closed doors. 

Speaker 1 29:41
In the boardroom. 

Speaker 2 29:44
In and out the closet. 

Speaker 1 29:48
That their life would be in danger. 

Speaker 0 29:50
Because men wasn't men, and women were acting like men. And that's all I'm going to say. 

Speaker 1 30:02
I think he'll get really sick and die very soon. 

Speaker 2 30:05
Gene Deal. Well, I think there was even someone who said, like, if he said, like, if I commit to it, like, I will not commit to it. Yeah. 

Speaker 1 30:12
That's the lady who alleges that she was shot in the nose by Diddy on that night where there was that kerfuffle in New York that J-Lo was a part of. 

Speaker 2 30:19
Shot in the nose? Yeah. Oh, my God. 

Speaker 0 30:22
So there was gunshots in the club. You know how he went to court all over that and everything. He tried to palm off a gun to his driver. You know, he said to the driver, he was going to pay. pay the driver and say it's your gun not mine so they found out about that but this woman has come out now and she says yeah and there's pictures of her in hospital with her nose bandaged and everything she claims that that Diddy was responsible for the bullet that that is of the fragments that are still lodged in her nose so she actually came down and said yeah if I on live tv or something she goes if I if I die it's because of that Now that's not a laughing matter But this is the problem Everyone's now looking at this And it has become so ridiculous That if it's not so horrifying. 

Speaker 2 31:09
You can't help but laugh Because this is how bad it is Yes and The fact that people are doing so many GIFs. 

Speaker 0 31:18
The diddler Yes And he's joined the club with R. Kelly And Let's not forget he joins alumni like, um, or alumnus like, uh, Ike Turner. 

Speaker 2 31:30
Oh God. Yeah. 

Speaker 1 31:31
Christina Brown. Okay. The list goes on. Oh. 

Speaker 2 31:34
In, in terms of more, um, people that are involved, because I wanted to look at a little bit at the deaths that have happened around him. So in Little Rod's, um, court documents, because one of the things he said was, uh, the proximity to another person that died and apparently. Little Rod may have been a witness to it. So apparently. 

Speaker 1 31:57
Is that in the bathroom? 

Speaker 0 31:58
Yeah. The one, the one in the bathroom. Yeah. Where multiple gunshots were, uh, were heard in the bathroom. Um, he said. 

Speaker 2 32:05
And Diddy was trying to harm it off. Yeah. He got shot in the street. 

Speaker 0 32:09
Like a drive by. 

Speaker 1 32:10
Like apparently. That's what makes it, it sounds terrible, but that's what makes it so comedic that he does these horrific act and then he's. And I can imagine him like a Tom and Jerry, like scrounging around going, oh, oh, oh, let's like chuck him in the back. And let's say it was a drive-by shooting. 

Speaker 2 32:30
Yeah, and apparently his son was implicated in that. But it's like those instances where you hear, you know, like... Some major corporation has some secret, somebody's going to release it, and then all of a sudden they're found dead, and they reported that, oh, they've committed suicide, but with a gunshot to the back of the head. So it's really sloppily done, but because these people were able to pay off law enforcements, and that's another accusation that is against Diddy, is that he paid off law enforcements multiple times, FBI included. 

Speaker 0 32:58
So the questions I have about this, just while we're still on this, is one who was shot. and have they come out and talked about it, whether they were alive or not? 

Speaker 1 33:05
No. 

Speaker 2 33:05
No, the person died. 

Speaker 0 33:06
Okay. Number two, just because he's in the bathroom with this guy doesn't necessarily mean that Diddy pulled the trigger. Could be circumstantial. 

Speaker 2 33:15
No, no, no. 

Speaker 0 33:16
I'm just saying from a legal point of view. 

Speaker 2 33:19
I'll stop you right there because I had done some research about this and it was only them two in there. Yep. There were some gunshot wounds. 

Speaker 0 33:28
Yep. 

Speaker 2 33:30
And people could actually hear Diddy yelling and screaming at the person and... 

Speaker 0 33:38
Okay, still circumstantial because all I'm just saying is it doesn't necessarily say, unless someone can say, I saw him pull the trigger, or they can match that some way the bullet couldn't make sense unless he was responsible. No, no. They'd be like, don't know. 

Speaker 2 33:54
I'm pretty sure he ran out with a gun, gave it to someone else and said, right. 

Speaker 0 34:01
This yeah i have to go but according to according to testimony all right yeah okay but who else can corroborate that so one guy versus how many other people i don't know if it's just one guy because remember because remember it's in his uh documentation but i'm having a look okay so they would subpoena people to come and say if this was the go to court that they would say well this is like this sounds like a separate court case to me it is it is a separate court case it is it's one isn't it. 

Speaker 2 34:29
With. 

Speaker 1 34:30
Rodney. So is it even admissible? I'm not a lawyer. 

Speaker 2 34:35
I mean, so the thing is, when it comes to this kind of situation where, you know, yeah, it has to go through court, the only thing that we can rely on, because we're not lawyers, we're not going to be part of the court trial, we just have to look at what's then. There is that whole phrase, you know, there's no smoke without... I agree. There's something here. I'll just read out. This is something that Gene Deal, this is the ex-bodyguard of Diddy, said... Confidential forms get paid good. Buh- Puff was a millionaire. Him being a confidential informant, him getting money like that, it was favors. He'd been getting favors and been paying law enforcement people for years to protect him. You understand? To protect him. We had a lot of people on the payroll when we was doing security. Everyone had, somebody might have this first 10 hours, that 10 hours, or whatever. He was paying law enforcement. He had a budget for law enforcement. Now, if something goes wrong, those people got friends in certain places. Then, plus, he tells his handler. 

Speaker 1 35:51
Yo. 

Speaker 2 35:52
Can you make this go away for me? I'll give you this and that. Now. That could be a lot of speculations or whatever like that. But why would you have or be working for an FBI agent if you're not an informant? 

Speaker 1 36:14
Why? 

Speaker 2 36:15
So when you got that kind of money, you could hire people. to make a lot of things go away for you so this is again this is coming from his bodyguard who's been with him for years and who's come out on the record and said this um i got this quote of mint press news they they have a very interesting article about diddy's much wider connections um and the last thing by the way in terms of people that have died around him i'm sure there's been more but these are the three that really stood out to me um there is a man named terence dean have you guys heard of him okay so he was a uh like a author and academic. He wrote a few books. One of them was called Mogul. He wrote another one called Hiding in Hip Hop. Hiding in Hip Hop, titled On the Down Low in the Entertainment Industry from Music to Hollywood. Now, obviously, you would think that he would talk about all the shifty, greasy things happening. What do you think he was talking about? 

Speaker 1 37:11
Oh, we know what the down low is. It's bisexual or gay black men who front with women to hide their lifestyle. 

Speaker 2 37:18
Yes. So he says there's actually quite an active... gay culture, hidden gay culture within hip-hop. 

Speaker 1 37:24
And it's particularly taboo because just like Hoover X says in Chasing Amy, a black man but a gay black man is a minority within a minority, especially in a culture that has a lot of purportedly machismo and other things that come with it. 

Speaker 2 37:40
So, yeah, just with that because, I mean, first of all, despite whatever advances we've made, despite Hollywood, you know, being their usual social justice kind of stuff, When you want to market yourself, remember, it's all about marketing yourself to the biggest audience you can if you can, you know, you can if you want to make money. As a man or a woman, generally, the studio wants to market you as someone that, you know, a man wants to be and a woman wants to be with and vice versa for a woman as well. And so it can be very hard to do that if you're openly gay and married to someone of the same sex. Yeah. So it's within the interest of some of these studios to try to get you to suppress not just your sexuality. Sometimes if you're in a straight relationship, they're like, no, no, no, we can't sell you like that. You've got to be available for consumption. So sometimes they do fake relationships. We've seen them so many times. So, yeah, Terrence Deal wrote this book about, of course, the down low within that culture, which, again, has an exterior that is very masculine. But underneath it all, he says, no, there's not only is it there's an active gay culture. It's also sometimes people who are not even gay have to do gay for pay in order to climb up. And that's what brings me back to how did he manage to climb up the ladder to the age of, you know, at the age of 20 to become become a vice president. There's speculation that he may have actually had to engage in this as well. And of course, now that they're saying he's doing it. By the way, last thing, Terrence Deal was found dead in his apartment. in his house and no exact cause has been provided for his death. 

Speaker 1 39:12
So did he got him? 

Speaker 2 39:13
Well, we don't know. 

Speaker 1 39:14
Is that the implication? 

Speaker 0 39:15
He probably implicated a lot of people. 

Speaker 2 39:17
Allegedly. Yeah. 

Speaker 1 39:18
Now, it's funny that you talk about the down low because there's a story about this guy called the Fat Jewish. And he's like a social entrepreneur. He's quite active on the internet and a very talented fellow. But he has an anecdote and he's told this repeatedly. to a lot of like vloggers and other people where he was at one of these freak offs and he walked into the bathroom and here all these semi-naked guys just having a chat drinking and as a gay man himself He realized it, he felt that he'd walked into a room of other gay men. And guess who was in there? Yeah. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 39:53
Did he? Yeah. Oh, okay. 

Speaker 1 39:55
So, so, and look, 50 Cent even plays into this and calls him Fruity. And like he got together with Puff once and Puff wanted to go shopping for clothes. 

Speaker 2 40:04
Oh yeah. 

Speaker 1 40:04
So rather a metrosexual or what 50 Cent is saying is he's Fruity. 

Speaker 2 40:08
I'll just throw something else in there. So you mentioned Puff. So He said that when he was, his mother gave him the name Puff because he used to huff and puff around like with Zanger. And look, there's enough evidence. 

Speaker 1 40:17
He wouldn't get his way, he'd puff up. 

Speaker 2 40:19
There's literal videos of him doing that now, like as an adult man. But I heard something else, again, speculation is the word puff back then, especially in where he grew up, was also a term for someone that's gay. So they're claiming that that's something that he sort of repossessed. And the fact that he called himself Puff Diddy. 

Speaker 1 40:39
Yes. It's because he threw parties in his college days. 

Speaker 2 40:45
That's true. 

Speaker 0 40:45
Yeah. Which, you know, if you're looking for a pattern of this sort of behaviour that he's had with his partners and everything, it even goes back to his college days. Rolling Stone released a report at the end of last month, which is May 2024, and they went and talked to 300 people, but they only got 50 people who could talk. Some of those people go back to his college days, and they reckon that he was even beating up his partners back then. and it was witnessed by an entire dorm and he was beating his partner with a belt. And this was like in the middle of the night, hollering for her out in plain sight. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 41:22
And he got away with it. 

Speaker 0 41:24
At that time, yeah. 

Speaker 1 41:27
And when they get away with it, they feel invincible because just reading an article from Digital Music News and... They were saying, oh, it's crazy, Mr Coombs bragged about shooting a woman in the face in 1999 in New York City and getting away with it. He bragged about having Jennifer Lopez carrying his gun into the club. So, of course, he thinks he can get away with anything. 

Speaker 2 42:02
Which is why he just vehemently kept saying, all this stuff isn't true, and then the video comes out, and he's like, yeah, I'm sorry. By the way. 

Speaker 1 42:11
Your card gets pulled at some point, and his card got pulled. 

Speaker 2 42:15
Yeah, it's almost like he's such a liability now that they're like, it's not worth protecting you. 

Speaker 1 42:18
All the brands have fucked off. So he came up with this African-American entrepreneur website and everything. A lot of those people are in exodus at the moment. A lot of brands also leaving as well. Good. I believe he had a cable channel which he stepped down from as being like the head of. But also too, like, he's going to get punished on an entrepreneurial level here. I mean, he was even shilling for an alcohol company. And they already had an issue with court cases prior to all this stuff coming out. But this is just, they've pretty much bought out his entire stake now, which he gets a lot of money for. But, yeah. 

Speaker 2 42:58
I think, so going back to just very quickly, you know, some of the charges. So in the little broad one, I was just looking through because some of the names that come up here, because in the Cassie one, it was primarily between the two of them. And she names, you know. I guess like people around him that helped him. Oh, yeah. But in the Little Rod one, he specifically goes after, you know, Sean Coombs and also his son, Justin. Interestingly, the son, like when the video of the beating in the hotel came out, his son's like, what? It happened a long time ago. And it was between two people. I was like, my God, shut up. You're not making this any better. Yeah. But the other people mentioned in this one, the Little Rod one. So there's three names. There's Lucien Grange. There's Ethiopia Habtamariam. And. And there is a woman called Christina Koram, who is allegedly who they refer to as his Ghislaine. Oh. 

Speaker 1 43:47
Fixer. 

Speaker 2 43:47
Yes, fixer. So his, yeah, I guess that's the term. Yeah, I heard of it. So I had not heard of Ethiopia Hamter Marina but Lucien Grange's name rang an interesting bell. I looked into a little bit further. And what I found is, first of all, he's not, I mean, it says so right here as well. He's the CEO of, it says here, Defending Motown Records. I think Diddy was involved either with Motown or Uptown Records, but Lucien Grange is the CEO of Universal Music Group. So that is the biggest music company in the world. And what this lawsuit is saying is him and these other people, they all paid for this. They knew this was happening. They were paying for it. They were going in and out of the rooms. They were well aware of it. And the. 

Speaker 1 44:32
So exactly what is she saying that they did? 

Speaker 2 44:35
She? He? 

Speaker 1 44:36
No, no, no. But Cassie is saying this happened. 

Speaker 2 44:39
Right? No, no, no. Little Rod is saying this. 

Speaker 1 44:40
Okay, so. 

Speaker 2 44:41
So what he's saying is that. 

Speaker 1 44:42
So what's Little Rod saying? Exactly what they're doing and when they were going in and out of rooms. 

Speaker 2 44:46
So what he said is at the Diddy parties, Little Rod said that there are hundreds of hidden cameras. And he said people like Ethiopia have to marry him. Especially he mentions Lucien Grange, who is the CEO, knew about this, would attend those parties, would go in and out of those rooms and was even to some degree paying for it and sponsoring it. And so and he says in these parties, there were trafficking of minors. There were drugs all around and spiking of drinks, forcing young people, underage kids to consume narcotics. So these are some of the details that come out about this. 

Speaker 1 45:20
So this guy will just go. if this ever comes up against him, he'll just say plausible deniability. Yeah, I was at those parties, but I didn't know it. 

Speaker 2 45:26
Unless, remember what Diddy told this guy to do, to record everything. So we need to know what, I guess once this goes forward, we'll have to see what is on record and what isn't. 

Speaker 1 45:34
This is what I don't get, right? If Little Rod's got all this footage, why go court case? 

Speaker 2 45:39
Because it might be better to get some justice that way than just release everything and probably get knocked off. 

Speaker 0 45:43
I was just going to say, maybe he could just extort him and... 

Speaker 2 45:46
They can both walk away with the number of people that have died around this guy he probably knows yeah i'm not trying to i'm not trying to advocate yeah like he probably has moral judgment and i believe that um little rod used to like uh he might still be but like a christian and he so he's got ethics he's got morals and he obviously wants to do it the right way because what's the point in i mean he can probably release it later on anyway i mean what are they going to do. 

Speaker 1 46:17
Yeah, I don't know. There could be two things going down here, and I'm putting on my tinfoil hat. Either Lil Rod is pulling a bait and hoping that it could just get settled and he doesn't have to present the evidence. 

Speaker 2 46:29
I don't know. 

Speaker 0 46:31
Or, yeah, he really wants to take this guy to task, so he's ready to battle. But it almost sounds like this is probably going to go down, in my head, it's going down settlement territory. 

Speaker 2 46:41
Oh, I dare say it would be. 

Speaker 1 46:43
So if that's the case, then there's going to be a non-disclosure agreement that comes out. We'll never see any of this stuff. 

Speaker 2 46:49
I mean, I think. Again. In a sense, yeah, I think the fact. 

Speaker 0 46:51
So you see what I'm trying to get at? Yeah. The result is still the same, regardless if he goes to court or not. If they go for settlement, then you're still not going to see it anyway. So you might as well have just extorted the guy on the spot if he knows how this business runs. Or. He wants to go all the way. We have full tilt on this. 

Speaker 1 47:08
I think it's very smart that he did go the court way because that way it's more out in the open. There's no speculation because through the court it is about showcasing the evidence. And if the evidence is there, holy shit, he needs to do something about it. If he had just released it on YouTube and everything like that, then he wouldn't be able to extort him. 

Speaker 0 47:33
He wouldn't be able to get any money back he wouldn't and also i'm pretty sure because he was in he said like he was afraid he was threatened with violence multiple times he'd probably seen it happen around it wouldn't you know like cassie herself was so afraid to leave at some point that incident where she ran away from the hotel i mean uh i mean dragged her back she she actually came back after that because she was scared and didn't know where where to go who to speak to she thought she could work it out there was other instances where she came back. 

Speaker 1 47:58
But that's domestic abuse. Like you always go back to your group. 

Speaker 2 48:01
No, true, true. But even in this case, like Rod was, well, the fear that he had of having his career ruined, having possibly been harmed in any way, his loved ones. So I wouldn't be surprised. But it's interesting when you said, oh, this will get covered up again because the whole thing of hidden cameras is a theme we're seeing over and over again. So Epstein was accused of that. This guy's being accused of it. And I don't know if you guys have seen a documentary, 12, 13. like a 10 episode one it's called um secrets of playboy it's on sbs apparently hugh hefner had cameras everywhere of course he did yeah but i know but the thing is imagine if you had to set up cameras now obviously now anyone can do it but back in the 90s and before that you need to have a professional operation set up hidden cameras everywhere in the room that means it's not just you being a pervert doing it yourself it's you've got other people Doing it. What are you doing it for? 

Speaker 1 48:52
Yeah, cables in the walls. 

Speaker 2 48:53
Shit like that. And it's not just because he's a pervert that likes to watch it by himself. It's almost like it's blackmail. That's what else can this be for? 

Speaker 1 49:02
Or insurance if you look at it the other way. 

Speaker 2 49:04
Insurance. What? Is that the inverse of? 

Speaker 1 49:06
As in like you're protecting yourself if something were to happen on the premises, having a party like someone trips down the stairs and wrecks themselves, but they did it. 

Speaker 2 49:14
In the bedrooms? 

Speaker 0 49:15
And they did it. 

Speaker 2 49:15
Why are you so naive? 

Speaker 1 49:17
I'm just saying. 

Speaker 2 49:19
He's giving the benefit of the doubt. 

Speaker 1 49:21
No, no, no, I'm not. I'm actually agreeing with you guys. I'm just trying to entertain alternative explanations. I'm sure it's all of it. And I don't think it holds water, but maybe from the perspective of a naive Yefna, he might have thought he was looking after himself. Oh, my God. 

Speaker 0 49:38
So, I mean, look, I think, okay, I know that we're, you know, we'll start winding down soon, but I think the last thing that I really wanted to touch on because when I looked at this blackmail stuff, I was like, okay, You know, it's, it's, you wonder why they would do stuff like that, especially when it's the depravity. Back then, it was a big deal because... Because you would have your career ruined. Even now, you could to a degree, but it's... I mean, Hollywood pushes its own version of depravity. So it's like, what's the secret now? But if you look at... There's two things to look at. One is the way that blackmail has always been used. So I was looking... I was doing a bit of research into J. Edgar Hoover. You guys familiar with that name? Yeah. So yeah, for anyone that doesn't know, he was the leader... Well, he was apparently the founder of the FBI, leader. And one of the... Things that at the time which was told to the public because it's during the Cold War is to tell people to be wary of the evil Soviets trying to blackmail you. So and one of them was if they find you in compromising positions especially in homosexual acts the Soviets will use it. So a book actually later claimed that apparently Hoover himself was gay and was in like a gay relationship and was caught. 

Speaker 1 50:47
I'm not surprised. 

Speaker 2 50:48
Doing this and was being blackmailed by the mafia. But this is the other thing that I wanted to touch on was the history of hip hop. So because I think if you look a little bit more at the history of hip hop, and also something known as COINTELPRO, I'll go into that in just a sec. The history of hip hop actually is something the history is kind of contested. But a lot of signs it was from a documentary I watched called hip hop beyond the beats and rhymes talks about how Hip-hop was born from the Bronx, from the working-class neighborhood that was devastated. And one of the things that really, you know, turbocharged it was a, I think it was like a Bronx highway project. It was basically put through this neighborhood, displacing thousands of ethnic minorities, blacks, Hispanics, East Indies, or West Indies, I'm trying to remember. Anyway, a lot of them, you know, they had their lives turned upside down. And of course, they're all very poor. So they had very... limited resources to try to create a culture. And that's why when you look at hip-hop, so hip-hop and rap, it's not really music, it's more it's poetry. So they had like these turntables, they had things that could give them very, you know, limited amount of range on what they could do, and they used that to create something. And a lot of the lyrics and the writing that came out of that was the anger that they felt that was expressed out as this aggressive poetry. And that's why I think rap is called, or used to be called, rhythmical Americanized poetry. So it was always a very politicized thing. And rap up from that point up until the late 80s was always a very, you know, something very political that spoke about their experiences. But then you look from the 90s, especially onwards, it went from being something that was very pro-social to something very anti-social. Something very much focused on... gang activity, violence against women, homophobia, killing people and that kind of thing. 

Speaker 1 52:40
And it's funny because Diddy got popular using 1980s like R&B music and then mixing it with all this crap. 

Speaker 2 52:49
Yes, exactly. And so and the interesting thing with this is because the sudden shift in hip hop from that moment was quite interesting because This is where I think something like, you have to look into something like COINTELPRO. So COINTELPRO was an operation conducted by the FBI during the 50s, 60s, the radical movements at the time. So they would infiltrate a lot of radical movements all the way from civil rights, the anti-war movement, the feminist movement to some degree, although that was a bit different. They even infiltrated like KKK. But they would go in there, they would try to find blackmail material, they would try to undermine these organizations. They would sometimes even get into relationships with women in those organizations, fake relationships, have children with them. to gather intelligence and then just piss off once it was all done, once the whole thing blew up in their face. So COINTELPRO, which they also admit was an illegal number of operations that was done by them. So the fact that they, the COINTELPRO and as well as FBI was actually known at the time to profile rappers. Like they were actually following them around, they were documenting stuff on them. Because, you know, like Tupac Shakur, he was, he was actually quite politicized. He was born in prison. His mother was a Black Panther. And the Black Panthers were one of the main political forces the FBI went out to destroy. They saw it as the biggest threat to America. 

Speaker 1 54:06
So how is this connected to Diddy? 

Speaker 2 54:08
The reason I'm saying it's connected to Diddy is because if you look at the way hip-hop has been sort of transitioned away from its political radical roots and to now being not just a money-making thing, it's almost like they also needed... There are certain people they would prefer to keep... their eye on. Like if they had, if they were watching people like Tupac and all these other rappers, they would also have people who are on their side who would push certain parts of the culture as well. And when it comes to, and this is again, the suspicious nature of Diddy's rise as a 20 year old up into that position, you know, this is something the FBI keeps an eye on. Like they tend to watch and see because culture is something that the ruling elites don't want to just leave to anybody else They want to control the culture as well So they want to control what gets made and we'll you know We'll be talking about that in future episodes of how that happens and the other one of course is yeah the way like Why do you think hip-hop suddenly transitioned from being? Something like that to something very anti-social. What do you think of the forces driving it? 

Speaker 1 55:06
Oh. 

Speaker 0 55:07
It's complex society I'm going to put a clip in here, but it's a clip of um What's that guy's name? Um, Ice Cube? No, not Ice Cube, um... 

Speaker 1 55:17
Ice T. 

Speaker 2 55:18
No, no, not Ice T. He was one of them, but, um... Tupac. No, no, hang on, you're just shouting names out. Wait, uh... 

Speaker 1 55:24
These guys are a part of pushing that. 

Speaker 2 55:26
I'm just gonna see is...no, no, no, it's Ice Cube, that is the one, yeah. So he was doing an interview with Bill Mace and when he said, if you actually look at the people that own a lot of the record labels, they are...a lot of them own the prisons as well. Who benefits and profits off our bickering and our division? Who, like, follow the money? 

Speaker 1 55:49
I don't know their names. 

Speaker 2 55:50
Bill, but if you follow the money, you go high enough, you start to see, okay, you know, this is an industry. Okay, let's take rap music. Let's take it. Same people who own the labels own the prisons. So, literally the same people? Literally the same people who own. 

Speaker 1 56:16
The labels on private prisons. 

Speaker 2 56:22
So, you know, it seems really kind of suspicious, if you want to say that word. 

Speaker 1 56:32
That. 

Speaker 2 56:34
You know, the records that come out are really geared to push... people towards their prison industry. But they didn't make you write those lyrics. It's not about making somebody write the lyrics. It's about being there as guardrails to make sure certain songs make it through and certain songs don't. 

Speaker 1 57:05
Certain flavors are exposed on the record. You know. 

Speaker 2 57:09
Some records are made by committee. 

Speaker 1 57:12
Meaning. 

Speaker 2 57:13
Record company guys sit around and tell the artists, this is hot, say that, do this, we're gonna have this guy write the lyrics, we're gonna have that. 

Speaker 1 57:25
So. 

Speaker 2 57:26
The narrative is really kind of, you know. 

Speaker 1 57:31
Structured and really made. 

Speaker 2 57:36
Into what the record company want the record to be and what the you know A lot of artists are frustrated with this kind of music making you know a lot of people you know They feel like they're being controlled by the label. This is how they do it Yes. And so I was doing more digging into that. And of course, look, it's all multinationals now. So people have different, it's a huge tentacle monster. They have tentacles and everything. But what he was speculating is there was a concerted push to try to move rap away from the politics. Naturally, of course, they don't want people to be politicized. But moving it towards specifically this antisocial image of black America, and one that, you know, sort of. 

Speaker 1 58:18
Yeah, put a liquor store on every corner sort of business. 

Speaker 2 58:21
Exactly, yeah. And so with Diddy, I feel like Diddy was someone who was very useful to them. I'm not saying it was all like he's carefully coordinated, but he became a useful tool for them to have that kind of control. But then this kind of blackmail operation that he's running is also something that's very useful to them. 

Speaker 0 58:39
It's an interesting backdrop and something worth exploring further. 

Speaker 2 58:44
Yeah, I don't think it's... 

Speaker 0 58:45
But the way I look at it is... This always comes back to this concept for me, what this brings to light with what Diddy is alleged to have done, the evidence that we've all seen. I mean, when that tape came out, right, the police put out a report after, Moist Critical makes a reference to this. put an article acknowledging the video and still use the word allegedly in it oh my god okay idiot this is where we're at right but to take it a step back just for a moment it comes down to a man who always wants to get his way and he does that through domination whether it's through sexual, physical or emotional. Now we could talk about the bigger tentacles and all these other things, but at the end of the day, that if you try to distill it to its essence, for me, it's all about domination. 

Speaker 2 59:37
And power. 

Speaker 1 59:38
Yeah. And the resources to do that, which is the money, okay, and the connections if we want to, you know, that we've talked about today, if we want to dig. 

Speaker 2 59:48
Would you say the domination by one individual, is that like, what do you mean? 

Speaker 1 59:54
Yeah, yeah, this is one individual who has been enabled by a series of other individuals who possibly have an enterprise of something bigger with the trafficking. But at the end of the day, if we really want to put this to sleep, it's one guy who... wants to dominate others. And that's it. 

Speaker 2 1:00:13
But I think that's the thing. Most people don't want this to be put to sleep. And I think that's why people start looking at conspiracy theories is because if we just make it about the individual, the same thing, if you look at Epstein, they made it about the individual man. And now the issue is pretty much disappeared. You just have, you know, the corners of the media talking about it. Whereas I literally found a photograph of Bill Clinton getting a massage from one of the women who was a young girl at the time at the depth from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. So many people who are implicated. Who are just going to be let off if we just focus on this one person and not look at who else is tied around it? 

Speaker 1 1:00:46
You can't take a conspiracy and take it to court. You can take a person or a series of people and then surprise. If you go into the court... Yeah. 

Speaker 2 1:00:54
But we're not court though, remember? The court can deal with that. What general people want to know is they can see patterns coming out over and over again and we're being told by people in power that, oh, no, let the courts decide. It's just this one individual. They want us to look away from all this other stuff. 

Speaker 1 1:01:09
So what's the alternative? We gang up on a phantom ghost and chase shadows everywhere? 

Speaker 2 1:01:15
No, I think the alternative is to actually try to see these patterns for what they are. Again, like I said, we're not a court system here, but what we are doing here is trying to investigate and find something that is, especially the point of this podcast, remember we said, is why are these scandals coming up more often now? Part of the reason is also what is the culture producing that's of value anymore? And so instead... We're coming out with this and the general public is more hungry for this kind of information and not just the salacious details of one person. They're seeing multiple people being implicated. That's why people's names like Jay-Z is just being pushed out there. Tell us more. Tell us more. 

Speaker 1 1:01:54
I don't know, man. It's a bit too much for me. I'd rather stay on the ground, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay, Ash. That's why we're here to talk, mate. 

Speaker 2 1:02:02
Yeah, look, it's fair enough because I think, you know, we could go into all kinds of different avenues, but that's why it's called, you know, Dark Alleyway. We're going into different alleyways and you don't just find one person in there. 

Speaker 1 1:02:12
Yeah, I'm not in the tinfoil hat mode today. Maybe if you catch me on the rebound next week. 

Speaker 2 1:02:18
Give it some time, Alex. We'll see. 

Speaker 0 1:02:20
Yeah. 

Speaker 1 1:02:21
All right. I think we're done. 

Speaker 0 1:02:23
Yeah, I think we are done. So I think just to wrap it up, any... Any... I guess the main question we said is, is he going to get off? Is he going down? Is he covering for other people? Your thoughts, Marina? 

Speaker 1 1:02:37
I think it's all three. I think he, my gut is saying he'll get charged because they have to do something because if he gets off on everything, there'll be civil war. There'll be riots. At the same time, I think he's still gotten away with a lot of things that haven't even come up on surface. And, yeah, that's my opinion. 

Speaker 2 1:03:08
Okay. 

Speaker 0 1:03:09
Alex? I'll quote Mace. Mace came out, key collaborator with Puff, got a history with him, especially when it comes down to ownership of masters and other things. Mace came out and said, time tells truth. 

Speaker 1 1:03:21
I like that. 

Speaker 0 1:03:22
That's... Sums it up. I mean, that's interesting. I guess it's, it's, I get, I would say just with that, it's, but it's the truth, only half the truth, because there's, I'm sure there's a bunch of things we'll just never know. Like you look at, again, I mentioned Hugh Hefner before, it was after he died is when we got a whole bunch of information out about him. So in this instance, yeah, I feel more so that Diddy is someone who is, is the next scapegoat. It's, it's like they've protected him for long enough. He's, he's become a liability. They're like, all right, You know, just go down and go away. 

Speaker 1 1:03:53
Yep. 

Speaker 0 1:03:54
Okay, so I guess that's it for this week. 

Speaker 1 1:03:57
Great to see you guys again. 

Speaker 0 1:03:59
And we'll be back next time looking at another alleyway. 

Speaker 2 1:04:02
No worries. Thanks. Bye. 

Speaker 2 1:04:04
Bye-bye.